Add German word list for BIP0039

DavidMStraub commented at 11:23 am on September 3, 2018: none

This adds a German word list with the following properties:

Only ASCII letters (no äöüß, no dashs or apostrophes)
Only nouns in nominative case (no plurals, no genitives), i.e. all startig with an uppercase letter
At least 4, at most 6 letters
First 4 letters identify the word uniquely
No offensive words
Tried to avoid words with ambiguous spelling (Delphin, Delfin)

Add German word list for BIP0039 4aa61f92b3

luke-jr added the label Proposed BIP modification on Sep 7, 2018

luke-jr commented at 4:54 am on September 7, 2018: member

@slush0 @prusnak @voisine @ebfull

benjam1n commented at 12:50 pm on September 10, 2018: none

What are the chances for this to get merged soon?

rodasmith commented at 6:26 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Are ‘Abfall’ and ‘Apfel’ too phonetically similar? Would a blind user listening to a spoken seed be potentially confused by having both those words in the list?

DavidMStraub commented at 7:04 pm on September 16, 2018: none

@rodasmith, no, those two actually sound quite distinct (Upfall vs. Upfle would be a rough English transcription).

rodasmith commented at 7:07 pm on September 16, 2018: none

The words ‘Graf’ and ‘Graph’ are homophones, so one should be replaced.

rodasmith commented at 7:20 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Another pair of homophones: ‘Miene’ and ‘Mine’.

DavidMStraub commented at 7:28 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Here is a few words I’ve thrown out when shortening to 2048 that can be put back in if more problems appear:

0Abakus
1Ahorn
2Alpen
3Antrag
4Baby
5Banjo
6...

rodasmith commented at 7:28 pm on September 16, 2018: none

I’m also not sure whether ‘Faser’ and ‘Phase’ are distinct enough.

rodasmith commented at 7:38 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Are ‘Spray’ and ‘Spree’ homophones?

rodasmith commented at 7:41 pm on September 16, 2018: none

How about ‘Staat’ and ‘Stadt’? The vowel is longer the the former but I don’t know whether that is a clear enough distinction.

BIP 39 German: remove homophones (#721) 2b8530b3ec

DavidMStraub commented at 7:43 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Spray and Spree are totally different, the latter is proununced with ‘Sh’.

Staat and Stadt is a very long vs a very short vowel, hardly mistakable. Faser vs Phase might be problematic, throwing the latter out.

BIP 39 German: remove more homophones (#721) 15058ac07d

rodasmith commented at 7:49 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Are ‘Uran’ and ‘Urahn’ homophones?

DavidMStraub commented at 7:55 pm on September 16, 2018: none

No, emphasis on 2nd vs 1st syllable.

rodasmith commented at 8:03 pm on September 16, 2018: none

Ack (now that those pairs of homophones are removed) I am not a native German speaker, so review by a native speaker would be welcome, but from my non-native perspective of German, this LGTM.

dabura667 commented at 1:08 am on September 17, 2018: none

Is there a possibility that the user will forget that all words start with capital?

Does capitalizing the first letter have a grammatical meaning for conjugation in German?

I would say to go with whatever is in the dictionary. If nouns in the dictionary all start capitalized, then I think this is OK.

If a user has to remember case (I know some people who write in all upper case no matter what) then this is not a good idea I think.

rodasmith commented at 3:47 am on September 17, 2018: none

German nouns are always capitalized, so that won’t be a problem.

pbengert commented at 8:34 pm on October 2, 2018: none

Abart <-> Abort While beeing pronounced differently the only differ in a vs o. Could be a problem when you recreate the seed from handwriting

pbengert commented at 9:31 pm on October 2, 2018: none

Some more comments from reading the list (thanx for compiling it!) “Daum” -> I’m not sure what it means. Maybe use “Daumen” “Epoxyd” -> maybe a missspelling, should be “Epoxid” “Faun” -> I’m not sure what it means. Maybe use “Fauna” “Fluor” <-> “Flur” - seems and pronounces rather similar “Kreis” <-> “Greis” - depending on local dialect pronouces rather similar “Pose” <-> “Posse” - pronounces differently but maybe errorprone “Spiels” -> I’m not sure what it means. Maybe use “Spiel” “Neger” -> seems offending “Domina”, “Heroin”, “Kokain” -> might be offending to some ( I imagine explaining my grandma what a seed is ab why it is important and why bitcoin is important and the seed starts with Domina Heroin Kokain …)

DavidMStraub commented at 9:43 pm on October 2, 2018: none

Thanks @pbengert, you have some good points there, especially the offending words I overlooked. I’ll try to see how I can replace them.

Forbidding words that differ by a single letter but are pronounced very differently (Abart/Abort, Pose/Posse) maybe seems a bit too restrictive to me…

BIP 39 German: remove offensive and ambiguous words 050629f504

DavidMStraub commented at 6:44 pm on October 5, 2018: none

@pbengert, I think I’ve removed all the problematic words and replaced them with innocuous ones.

thomasklemm commented at 10:11 pm on October 5, 2018: none

@DavidMStraub Thanks for putting this list together, it feels quite good already. Since this feels like a major decision for the ecosystem and probably can’t be changed easily, I want to point out a few things:

To me the words here feel in general much more similar to others on the list than in the English BIP39 dictionary (e.g. Doge, Dogge; Wulst, Wurst, Wust; Sold, Sole, Solo; Warze, Wanze; Zelle, Cell). Technically speaking my guess would be that the Levenshtein distance between many words here is much less than in the English list, though I haven’t looked deeper into that. Does someone have a tool against which BIP39 lists can be checked?
Some of the words feel a bit hard to spell, even as a native German I wouldn’t have gotten some of them right since there’s multiple correct German spellings for that word (e.g. Aceton can also be Azeton, Hachse can also be Haxe depending on where in Germany you live)
Some words have a negative connotation (e.g. Amok, Sexist, Eunuch, Geck, Geifer, Voyeur, Zicke)
Some words feel quite “sciency” and might not be in the active vocabulary of many Germans (e.g. Spin, Binom, Axiom, Anion, Boson)
Some outliers that have an unclear meaning or feel just very uncommon: Obrist (had to Google that), Lyzeum (outdated), Odem, Sept (unclear, short for September?)

I’ll make some concrete suggestions tomorrow, feel like we could bring in some words like city names (Berlin, Kiel, Halle) or common first names instead of the mentioned ones above.

What’s the reasoning behind limiting to 6 characters? Couldn’t we diversify the words quite a bit if 7 or 8 characters were allowed like with the English list?

DavidMStraub commented at 12:35 pm on October 6, 2018: none

@thomasklemm, you find the words “Obrist”, “Odem” and “Sept” (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sept) too uncommon, want to exclude scientific terms, but ask for a larger Levenshtein distance. And in the end we should still have 2048 words without any Umlaute or ß (this is a significant constraint). I don’t think this is realistic, but in any case it would mean starting from scratch. If you are serious about this, I guess it’s better to close this PR and make a new one.

By the way, I don’t have the impression the English wordlist is very different qualitatively.

arm - armed
auto - autumn
awake - away
card - cart
clock - clog
define - defy

and so on.

DavidMStraub commented at 6:02 pm on October 6, 2018: none

To make this more quantitative, this notebook proves that the distribution of pairwise Levenshtein distances is not worse than for the English word list.

majuric commented at 12:57 pm on November 5, 2018: none

@DavidMStraub Thanks for creating this PR. I can’t really contribute to the discussion unfortunately but I was just wondering are there any indications if this might get merged any time soon ?

DavidMStraub commented at 1:00 pm on November 5, 2018: none

@majuric that’s a good question. At this point I find it frustrating that nothing happens even though I addressed many suggestions.

SebastianFloKa commented at 5:00 pm on November 21, 2018: none

Many Thanks to @DavidMStraub for initiating this and I fully agree with his intention to achieve a BIP0039 German wordlist with low number of letters per word. One will see the advantage when engraving the mnemonic into stone, steel, etc. - it would save quite a lot of time to many people.
Actually I was not aware of this ongoing discussion here and already tried to create a list with a maximum of 5 letters per word. Pending on the underlying criteria, this wordlist was not too bad but with room for improvement. Concerning the wordlist proposed by David I agree with @thomasklemm that there is also room for improvement, for example regarding the choice of some words. On top, there is this conflict with the Spanish wordlist which is still not clear if this is a “must-have” or “nice-to-have” criteria. If you don’t mind, I will try to structure this topic (list of criteria) and try to come up with a revised proposal in parallel (~CW49).

SebastianFloKa commented at 10:30 am on December 19, 2018: none

Habe die Ehre, here is a first proposal to structure the requirements. If you see anything missing or wrong, please inform. 20181219 - BIP0039 German Wordlist - SOR.pdf

As @DavidMStraub already mentioned, it’s indeed not possible to create a reasonable BIP0039 German Wordlist out of nouns with maximum 6 letters and a minimum levenshtein distance of 2 (TWO) plus all the other criteria at the same time. There are obviously two main possibilities for a next step / evaluation:

Scenario 1: keep the intended maximum of six letters per word and allow some of following criteria: a. acceptance of more types of words than nouns (verbs, adjectives, ?) b. acceptance of levenshtein distance of ONE “addition / substraction” (Example: TIER & STIER) c. acceptance of levenshtein distance of ONE “substitution” of non-similar sounding letters (Example: ERDE & ERLE allowed / ERDE & ERBE not allowed). –> b & c could be limited for example to a certain amount of levenshtein collision, for example a max. of one collision (Example: MAUS & LAUS & HAUS not allowed / MAUS & LAUS allowed) –> or/and requiring different grammatical gender of words (Example: MAUS (feminin) & LAUS (feminin) not allowed / MAUS (feminin) & HAUS (neutrum) allowed). For verbal transmission the different article could help to identify the correct word. Example on the phone: MAUS wie die Maus in Tom & Jerry / HAUS wie das Haus in dem ich wohne
Scenario 2: Increase the number of accepted letters to 7 or even to 8 and allow only words with minimum levenshtein distance of TWO or more.

Other BIP0039 Wordlists solved this quite differently, most allow verb and adjectives, some allow levenshtein distance of ONE –> see attached overview. So there are two main questions to be answered now: A) Do you see any concerns using verbs and adjectives? If we go for capital letters of the complete word (what I highly recommend) I don’t see a roadblocker. Do you? B) If you don’t mind, I will continue to check for a reasonable solution within Scenario 1 or do you see a minimum levenshtein distance of TWO in any case as a must have?

DonaldTsang cross-referenced this on Dec 24, 2018 from issue Binary Lists by DonaldTsang

SebastianFloKa commented at 6:45 pm on January 15, 2019: none

In order to proceed, attached a wordlist related to above mentioned Scenario 1 (keep max. 6 letters per word) based on following compromises:

Adjectives supplementary to nouns.
Due to high similarity of many verbs up to 6 letters to their corresponding nouns (LAUFEN & LAUF, LIEBEN & LIEBE) there’s no big advantage expected: Verbs were therefore NOT taken into consideration.
Levensthein distance (LS) “Substitution” of 1 allowed but not two words with similar letters “B&P”, “D&T”, “G&K”, “S&Z”, “M&N” (GRAD & GRAT).
LS “Substitution” of 1 allowed but maximum 2 collisions allowed (= max. 3 affected words).
LS “Addition” of 1 allowed but not if double letter causing the creation of a new word (example: OFFEN & OFEN, ROBBE & ROBE, ROGGEN & ROGEN) or if an “H” is involved (RUHM & RUM).
LS “Permutation” of 1 was possible to be excluded completely (OSLO & SOLO, FORSCH & FROSCH).

I assume it’s easier for everybody to look into a PDF-file (at least for the moment), so here’s the Proposal-2019-01-15 and the related overview of criteria (SOR): BIP0039 German Wordlist - Proposal-2019-01-15.pdf BIP0039 German Wordlist - SOR-2019-01-15.pdf

This is (at least close to) the best compromise between the max. length of 6 letters per word and the non-similarity of words (better than BIP0039 English WL, not so good as BIP0039 French WL) + all the other criteria. By the way: The average length of word would currently be only 5,1 letters, the English WL is 5,4 and the French WL is 6,8 –> so not bad. @thomasklemm, @DavidMStraub and others:

What’s your opinion on this Proposal? Would you agree to above described compromise?
If yes, do you still see any “NO-GO-words” (embarrassing / far too unknown / too similar)? Very minor modifications might be possible, for major changes we will have to increase the accepted length per word.

DavidMStraub commented at 8:25 pm on January 15, 2019: none

Thanks @SebastianFloKa for this impressive proposal. I will have a detailed look at the wordlist and let you know in case I notice any problems (I don’t expect to). I agree that scenario 1 makes a lot of sense.

On a purely aesthetical note, I don’t quite understand why you want to have it all-caps. IMO that makes it much less readable (and quite ugly). I don’t see any ambiguities when using the proper capitalization as there are no words that differ only by capitalization.

Good work!

SebastianFloKa commented at 3:08 pm on February 12, 2019: none

So looks like we all agree that writing nouns completely in lowercase is a no-go for Germans, so this should be out of scope.

Majuscule font (= all caps, = uppercase) in a text is uncomfortable to read - I fully agree with @DavidMStraub. But for standalone information with outstanding character (importance) and need to be associated as such, it’s quite common to use all-caps in German. For example the ID-card, passport and driving license of Germany and Austria: All relevant information (names, street, colour of eyes, authority, nationality, etc.) are written in uppercase. Many official documents (tax documents, opening a bank account, contracts etc.) require to be filled out in all-caps as well. This is mainly to avoid confusion.

If somebody stores his seed on an electronic device (wallet), the type of character doesn’t matter. But for people creating a physical backup of their seed, for example with beat letters (= Schlagbuchstaben in German) into steel plates or using prefabricated letters etc., it matters a lot. Allowing a mixture of lowercase AND uppercase would require a separate set of beat letters (respectively prefabricated letters) and cause a more confusing and time consuming procedure to manually create the Backup. As the intention of a BIP0039 Wordlist is to provide an easy to handle solution to users, the amount of potential characters should be kept as low as possible - which would be fulfilled by using all-caps only.

Then the issue with same words as noun or adjective or verb, and there are quite some of them: Husten/husten, Klasse/klasse, Nutzen/nutzen, Rennen/rennen, Wissen/wissen etc.. There will always be uncertainties about the correct writing if a mixture between lowercase and uppercase is allowed, particularly if words are transmitted verbally. If only uppercase characters are set, it doesn’t matter which meaning somebody connects to a word (such as homonyms), the orthography will always be predefined and therefore unambiguous.

If restoring of a partly unreadable seed is necessary, it could be helpful as well. If there will exist many different wordlists in the future (a tendency we can already see today), it would help to distinguish the BIP0039 German Wordlist from others. Software tools (wallets) could take advantage of this difference and provide more relevant word proposals to the user and request for uppercase letters (or exchange automatically) if German is pre-set as language. To be fair, the last point is an advantage (or even neutral point) and not an argument to go for majuscule (uppercase) for the BIP0039 German Wordlist – but IMO the others are.

SebastianFloKa commented at 5:04 pm on January 30, 2020: none

Thinking about pros and cons of limiting words to 6 letters it might make sense to extend this to at least 7 or maybe even 8 letter per word. I think it’s worth it.
I could work on a new proposal around August this year…

neox5 commented at 8:12 pm on June 2, 2020: none

What’s the current state of this issue? I would offer my help

DavidMStraub commented at 8:22 pm on June 2, 2020: none

As far as I’m concerned, I’ve abandoned this. It’s really a weird PR. First, I get a few useful comments, make a few improvements. Then, I get a list of requests from @thomasklemm, some of which I proved even with a Jupyter notebook are not realistic/reasonable. No reply. Half a year later, @SebastianFloKa comes with a totally different suggestion, but does not actually submit a PR. @FaustmannChr, thanks for offering your help, but if I were you I wouldn’t invest time unless one of the maintainers confirms that this actually has a chance of getting merged.

neox5 commented at 8:29 pm on June 2, 2020: none

Yeah @DavidMStraub, I think you are right…

And many thanks for the summary and the fast response!

cr cross-referenced this on Jul 8, 2020 from issue Adding BIP-39 wordlist in German (2nd try) by cr

in bip-0039/german.txt:2048 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

2043+Zweck
2044+Zweig
2045+Zwerg
2046+Zwist
2047+Zyklen
2048+Zypern

SebastianFloKa commented at 6:11 pm on February 17, 2021:

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SebastianFloKa commented at 6:15 pm on February 17, 2021: none

Start 3rd approach: levenshtein distances & other main requirements included

SebastianFloKa commented at 6:20 pm on February 17, 2021: none

@cr initiated a second attempt to create a BIP-0039 German Wordlist at #942 which was closed recently, so let’s continue here with a third attempt. After quite some work I can offer a proposal that fulfils the basic requirements for a BIP-0039 Wordlist: limitations of length per word and levenshtein distance addition, substitution & permutation not lower than 2.

The new proposal follows @DavidMStraub requirement of nominative nouns even excluding countries, cities, persons, names etc.
@ThomasKlemm requested to change to more commonly used words, this should be the case now. Even some words may be part of discussion as there are not endless words like “love” or “peace”. A List of optional words that don’t conflict with levenshtein distance & length requirements etc. for you to work with can be provided.
@cr requested on top to avoid collision with other released BIP-0039-Wordlists which is taken to 100% into consideration with this new proposal. Of course not possible to achieve this for all wordlists in line.
In order to bring in cultural specialty to the BIP-0039 I keep up with the proposal of all-caps as writing nouns in lower-case-letters is conflicting with common sense of German language. A positive side-effect compared with the current proposal is that the number of used characters reduces from 52 to 26. This is an advantage not only for self-filled cold wallets.
Going the extra mile even the levenshtein distance “addition” was reduced to a value lower than 3 for the first 3 letters for words with a related meaning. So only 20 words with low correlation are left (Lanze & Pflanze, Sekt & Insekt, etc.).

A standard computer spell checker was used, so prior to release (if this will ever happen) we should find somebody competent to double check. Same for the base criteria check (levenshtein etc.) we should ask somebody such as @bitmover-studio to ensure our tools work properly.

There are some discussions on external platforms ongoing, be invited to join here.

SebastianFloKa commented at 7:02 pm on February 17, 2021: none

… sorry, will adjust the PR properly later …

Here the adjusted “special considerations”, which need to be added later to the main BIP-0039:

Words can be uniquely determined typing the first 4 characters.
Words contain between 3 to 8 letters per word
No words with 1 letter of difference (no levenshtein distance substitution, addition or permutation lower than 2)
No words already used in other official BIP-0039-Wordlists
No accents or special characters.
Orthography based on German spelling reform of 2006 and based on the German Duden 2021
Only singular nouns and plural tantum nouns (if no singular exists).
All-Caps in order to address nouns not written in lowercase in German and keep number of characters to 26 (A-Z) only.
No words with the exact sound of another word with different spelling inside the list.
No offensive words and no words implying negative, sad or bad feelings.

in bip-0039/german.txt:620 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

615+Golf
616+Gondel
617+Gong
618+Gosse
619+Gote
620+Gotha

rodasmith commented at 11:54 am on February 21, 2021:

Is this pronounced the same as “Gote”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1269 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1264+Notruf
1265+Nougat
1266+Novum
1267+Nuance
1268+Nudel
1269+Nugat

rodasmith commented at 12:08 pm on February 21, 2021:

Is this pronounced the same as “Nougat”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1344 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1339+Pein
1340+Pelz
1341+Pensum
1342+Pest
1343+Pfad
1344+Pfahl

rodasmith commented at 12:11 pm on February 21, 2021:

In northern Germany, is this pronounced the same as “Fall”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1345 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1340+Pelz
1341+Pensum
1342+Pest
1343+Pfad
1344+Pfahl
1345+Pfalz

rodasmith commented at 12:12 pm on February 21, 2021:

In northern Germany, is this pronounced the same as “Falz”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1351 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1346+Pfand
1347+Pfau
1348+Pfeil
1349+Pferd
1350+Pflock
1351+Pflug

rodasmith commented at 12:13 pm on February 21, 2021:

In northern Germany, is this pronounced the same as “Flug”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1355 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1350+Pflock
1351+Pflug
1352+Pforte
1353+Pfote
1354+Pfuhl
1355+Pfund

rodasmith commented at 12:14 pm on February 21, 2021:

In northern Germany, is this pronounced the same as “Fund”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1647 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1642+Sofa
1643+Sohle
1644+Sohn
1645+Soja
1646+Sold
1647+Sole

rodasmith commented at 12:20 pm on February 21, 2021:

Is this pronounced the same as “Sohle”?

in bip-0039/german.txt:1878 in 4aa61f92b3 outdated

1873+Untier
1874+Unwort
1875+Unzahl
1876+Unze
1877+Urahn
1878+Uran

rodasmith commented at 12:26 pm on February 21, 2021:

Is this pronounced the same as “Urahn”?

rodasmith commented at 12:39 pm on February 21, 2021: none

Some of these words seem to be homophones according to my understanding of German pronunciation. I think that may cause problems for blind Germans who use an audio interface to work with their seed mnemonic.

SebastianFloKa commented at 7:35 pm on February 21, 2021: none

@rodasmith you are referring to the initial proposal. The new proposal is inside the comment section because I’m not the initiator. Will check for a way to make new proposal more visible - maybe with a separate fork.
Sorry @rodasmith for the time spent and I hope you will stay motivated to check the new list as well because it’s supposed to be significantly improved. Prior to do so we should align our expectations. If you check the conversation in other wordlists it’s not uncommon to have one word of a homophone added to the wordlist but of course not both of them. I therefore assume you are not implying to avoid for the German wordlist any word that could sound similar to any other word which is not part of the list, right? But I’m open to go the extra mile here as well, therefore a proposal for a definition prior to implement modifications to the new proposal: If a homophone for a word exists, only one of these words is allowed in the wordlist under condition that using grammatical gender ensures unambiguous spelling. Example: (der) Graph & (der) Graf: None of these is allowed because both are singular nouns with same grammatical gender (masculine). (die) Kuh & (der) Coup: Different grammatical gender so the more common one (Kuh) would be used. (der) Wirt & wird: Wirt is allowed because there exists no noun to mix up and the list consists of nouns only. In that way verbal transmission of the wordlist is ensured. D’accord?

rodasmith commented at 2:17 am on February 22, 2021: none

@rodasmith you are referring to the initial proposal. The new proposal is inside the comment section because I’m not the initiator. Will check for a way to make new proposal more visible - maybe with a separate fork. Sorry @rodasmith for the time spent and I hope you will stay motivated to check the new list as well because it’s supposed to be significantly improved. Prior to do so we should align our expectations. If you check the conversation in other wordlists it’s not uncommon to have one word of a homophone added to the wordlist but of course not both of them. I therefore assume you are not implying to avoid for the German wordlist any word that could sound similar to any other word which is not part of the list, right? But I’m open to go the extra mile here as well, therefore a proposal for a definition prior to implement modifications to the new proposal: If a homophone for a word exists, only one of these words is allowed in the wordlist under condition that using grammatical gender ensures unambiguous spelling. Example: (der) Graph & (der) Graf: None of these is allowed because both are singular nouns with same grammatical gender (masculine). (die) Kuh & (der) Coup: Different grammatical gender so the more common one (Kuh) would be used. (der) Wirt & wird: Wirt is allowed because there exists no noun to mix up and the list consists of nouns only. In that way verbal transmission of the wordlist is ensured. D’accord?

The restriction is against having two or more words that sound the same, regardless of gender. The list could include ‘Graph’ or ‘Graf’ but not both.

SebastianFloKa cross-referenced this on Feb 22, 2021 from issue BIP39 Add German Wordlist by SebastianFloKa

SebastianFloKa commented at 10:57 am on February 22, 2021: none

Based on the confusion caused by above improvement proposal in the comment section and for improved traceability etc. a new PR for this 3rd attempt was created - see #1071.

bitmover-studio commented at 4:02 am on February 24, 2021: contributor

A standard computer spell checker was used, so prior to release (if this will ever happen) we should find somebody competent to double check. Same for the base criteria check (levenshtein etc.) we should ask somebody such as @bitmover-studio to ensure our tools work properly. @SebastianFloKa I will be happy to help. Just mention me when you have your list ready!

SebastianFloKa commented at 8:53 am on February 24, 2021: none

A standard computer spell checker was used, so prior to release (if this will ever happen) we should find somebody competent to double check. Same for the base criteria check (levenshtein etc.) we should ask somebody such as @bitmover-studio to ensure our tools work properly.

@SebastianFloKa I will be happy to help. Just mention me when you have your list ready! @bitmover-studio excellent, thank you. Other spell checkers found one more error (Avocado) which will be replaced during the next improval loop which is in preparation. You will be informed - thanks again.

kallewoof commented at 6:11 am on June 13, 2021: member

@DavidMStraub Consider closing this in favor of #1071 unless you believe the two proposals are competing with each other. (It appears like #1071 extends on this one, but I could be mistaken.)

luke-jr commented at 9:30 pm on July 2, 2021: member

For now, the author(s) of BIP 39 have decided not to accept any further word lists into BIP 39 itself, and encourage adding new ones to the WLIPs repo here: https://github.com/p2w34/wlips

luke-jr closed this on Jul 2, 2021

Add German word list for BIP0039 #721