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[95.143.172.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ffacd0b85a97d-42b53e7bd38si5832f8f.2.2025.11.12.16.23.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 12 Nov 2025 16:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of murch@murch.one designates 95.143.172.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=95.143.172.20; Received: from farbauti.uberspace.de (farbauti.uberspace.de [185.26.156.235]) by mailgate01.uberspace.is (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6DC96104A for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2025 01:23:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 1083 invoked by uid 989); 13 Nov 2025 00:23:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO unkown) (::1) by farbauti.uberspace.de (Haraka/3.0.1) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 13 Nov 2025 01:23:50 +0100 Message-ID: <0ed80dd1-35ba-4f10-8aac-1069c6050380@murch.one> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2025 16:23:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Motion to Activate BIP 3 To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com References: <205b3532-ccc1-4b2f-964f-264fc6e0e70b@murch.one> Content-Language: en-US From: Murch In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Report: BAYES_HAM(-3) XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01) MIME_GOOD(-0.1) X-Rspamd-Score: -3.09 X-Original-Sender: murch@murch.one X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@murch.one header.s=uberspace header.b="N/vSwQu+"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of murch@murch.one designates 95.143.172.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=murch@murch.one Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Hey Greg, Two sections from BIP=E2=80=AF3 stand out as relevant here, =E2=80=9CBIP=E2= =80=AFOwnership=E2=80=9C and=20 =E2=80=9CDeployed Process BIPs=E2=80=9D. From =E2=80=9CFundamentals > BIP Ownership=E2=80=9D: > =E2=80=9C[=E2=80=A6] As a BIP progresses through the workflow, it become= s=20 increasingly co-owned by the Bitcoin community.=E2=80=9D While Deployed BIPs are considered final and changes should be avoided,=20 the section has a subsection that specifically addresses Process BIPs. From =E2=80=9CWorkflow > Progression through BIP Statuses > Deployed > Pro= cess=20 BIPs=E2=80=9D: > =E2=80=9CA Process BIP may change status from Complete to Deployed when = it=20 achieves rough consensus on the Bitcoin Development Mailing List. A=20 proposal is said to have rough consensus if its advancement has been=20 open to discussion on the mailing list for at least one month, the=20 discussion achieved meaningful engagement, and no person maintains any=20 unaddressed substantiated objections to it. Addressed or obstructive=20 objections may be ignored/overruled by general agreement that they have=20 been sufficiently addressed, but clear reasoning must be given in such=20 circumstances. Deployed Process BIPs may be modified indefinitely as=20 long as a proposed modification has rough consensus per the same criteria.= =E2=80=9D More specific rules supersede general rules, so this subsection on=20 Process BIPs should hopefully clearly override the general description=20 in =E2=80=9CDeployed=E2=80=9D. It follows from these two sections that the = BIP Authors=E2=80=99=20 right to decide about changes to their BIP=E2=80=AFis moderated by the comm= unity=20 interests. I would consider especially Process BIPs to be dominantly=20 owned by the community rather than the Authors once they are Deployed.=20 The quoted section states how they are modified =E2=80=94 by proposing and= =20 discussing a modification on the mailing list, which is also a=20 fitting=C2=A0summary of how we decided last year to add more BIP Editors. Additionally, the =E2=80=9CWorkflow > Transferring BIP Ownership=E2=80=9D s= ection makes=20 it clear that other Owners could step up to replace Authors that have=20 become unreachable. Pragmatically speaking, it seems obvious that the list of BIP Editors=20 would be amended in the currently active BIP Process Specification=20 whenever the active BIP Editors change. Historically, this worked fine=20 when Editors changed while BIP=E2=80=AF1 and BIP=E2=80=AF2 were active whic= h both also=20 specified the current BIP=E2=80=AFEditors in the same manner. Thank you for your review. Please let me know, if you think we should=20 amend BIP=E2=80=AF3 to more clearly state any of the above discussed though= ts. Best, Murch On 2025-11-12 11:03, Greg Sanders wrote: > Hello Murch, > > I really like the BIP, just have a question about the editor portion. > > The list of current editors are currently in the BIP text, which seems=20 > to imply that the list can be changed by the author himself only and=20 > would become "static" over time. > > Clearly support for changing has to continue as it goes to Deployed=20 > and beyond. Perhaps the text should be moved elsewhere? > > Best, > Greg > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2025 at 8:11:39=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5 Murch wrote: > > Dear list, > > After planned work on BIP=E2=80=AF3=E2=81=B0 finished in February, BI= P=E2=80=AF3 was > advanced to > Proposed in March 2025=C2=B9. A few minor adjustments were made to BI= P=E2=80=AF3 > since then (see below). I have since April maintained a pull request > that would activate BIP=E2=80=AF3: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pu= ll/1820. > > At this point,=E2=80=AFBIP=E2=80=AF3 has received over 600 comments o= n GitHub and has > been discussed in multiple threads on this list. The proposal has > been > Proposed for over seven months, and while several minor improvements > were proposed and processed, the proposal has no unaddressed > objections > stated here or on the activation pull request. A growing list of > people > has expressed explicit support for activating BIP=E2=80=AF3 by leavin= g an > ACK on > the pull request after reviewing the BIP: > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1820#issue-2990155954 > > I formally propose a motion to adopt BIP=E2=80=AF3 to replace BIP=E2= =80=AF2 as our > BIPs > Process. > > Since BIP=E2=80=AF2 doesn=E2=80=99t specify a procedure for activatin= g Process > BIPs, I > suggest that people who wish to state their support leave an ACK on > #1820 or reply in this thread. Similarly, I would like to invite > anyone > to state concerns or raise objections here or on #1820. > While BIP=E2=80=AF3 has long been proposed and the activation PR has = been > open > for over half a year, I suggest that we give all would-be reviewers > another four weeks, until 2025-12-02, before evaluating whether > there is > rough consensus for merging the activation pull request. This > should be > ample time to review and discuss BIP=E2=80=AF3 as well as the activat= ion PR, > even for people that have so far not engaged with the material. > > Best, > Murch > > ---- > > Summary of changes since BIP=E2=80=AF3 was advanced to Proposed: > > - The License header now uses SPDX License Expressions=C2=B2 > - The License-Code header was dropped in favor of requiring that the > license terms of the auxiliary files be specified in the respective > directory or folder per a license header or LICENSE file=C2=B2 > - The =E2=80=9CCreated=E2=80=9D header has been renamed to =E2=80=9CA= ssigned=E2=80=9D=C2=B3 > - The BIP text has been improved to clarify: > =C2=A0 - the purpose of the BIPs repository=E2=81=B4 > =C2=A0 - that authors should establish viability of their proposal on= the > mailing list=E2=81=B4 > =C2=A0 - the distinction between publication, acceptance, and adoptio= n of > proposals=E2=81=B4 > =C2=A0 - when Draft BIPs can be closed due to not making progress=E2= =81=B4 > =C2=A0 - that BIPs submissions may not be generated by AI/LLM=E2=81= =B5 > > =E2=81=B0 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0003.md > =C2=B9 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1794 > =C2=B2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1892 > =C2=B3 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1970 > =E2=81=B4 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1819 > =E2=81=B5 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2006 > > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send=20 > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit=20 > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/b1771bde-7fbc-4fa3-8151-9259= c49f7c97n%40googlegroups.com=20 > . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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