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[95.143.172.20]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-6b7c235bdfasi42233a12.3.2026.11.13.14.42.38 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 13 Nov 2026 14:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of murch@murch.one designates 95.143.172.20 as permitted sender) client-ip=95.143.172.20; Received: from farbauti.uberspace.de (farbauti.uberspace.de [185.26.156.235]) by mailgate01.uberspace.is (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC6E86068E for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2026 23:42:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 20341 invoked by uid 989); 13 Nov 2026 22:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO unknown) (::1) by farbauti.uberspace.de (Haraka/3.1.1) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 13 Nov 2026 23:42:37 +0100 Message-ID: <274e5242-4654-4f7c-b56f-609a3f2ee132@murch.one> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 14:42:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] BIP Draft Post-Quantum Address Format (bc1z) using ML-DSA-65 To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com References: <9463348c-b2ec-4c6f-b9ec-2e9e2fc7d105n@googlegroups.com> <370af76f-6bcf-435d-bf88-fd4170d18537@murch.one> Content-Language: en-US From: Murch In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Report: BAYES_HAM(-2.999499) XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01) MIME_GOOD(-0.1) X-Rspamd-Score: -3.089499 X-Original-Sender: murch@murch.one X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@murch.one header.s=uberspace header.b=brHuyejW; spf=pass (google.com: domain of murch@murch.one designates 95.143.172.20 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=murch@murch.one Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Hey Hans, Thanks for taking it with humor. In the past couple years, we had at least five PQ-output type proposals=20 chucked over the fence into the BIPs repository, and probably at least=20 as many that made it to the mailing list or Delving. Please feel free to=20 peruse them, if you want to see why they ended up consuming review time=20 without going anywhere: =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1830 =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1832 =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2147 =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2176 =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2194 =E2=80=A2=20 https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/new-post-quantum-bitcoin-proposal-using-winter= nitz-lamport-auth-chains/2525 =E2=80=A2=20 https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/p2wots-post-quantum-utxo-winternitz-signatures= /2530 =E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A6 For contrast, please look at some BIPs that actually proposed new output=20 types, e.g., =E2=80=A6: =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0016.mediawiki =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0141.mediawiki =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0341.mediawiki =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0360.mediawiki =E2=80=A6 and the most mature BIP draft to introduce a PQC signature scheme= : =E2=80=A2 https://github.com/SHRINCS/shrincs-bip/blob/main/SHRINCS.md Also interesting might be this discussion on PQC output types: =E2=80=A2 https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/pqc-output-type-discussion/2749/40 Anyway, there is lots of work for people that want to dig into PQC for=20 Bitcoin, but as you also recognized, it=E2=80=99s not a topic where you=E2= =80=99ll start=20 sharing your results after a day. -M On 2026-11-13 12:29, Hans Stringuer wrote: > Hey Much, >=20 > =C2=A0 Thanks for the feedback. I see now that I need to do more=C2=A0re= search,=20 > especially on=C2=A0the ongoing discussions. There are too many points I= =20 > should understand better and thanks for pointing them out,=C2=A0I will pu= t=20 > more work there before releasing anything. > =C2=A0 I already thanked Claude, he helped me a lot. Just for the record= I=20 > do not believe that I will contribute with any=C2=A0breakthrough. >=20 > Cheers, > Hans >=20 > Em sex., 13 de nov. de 2026 =C3=A0s 17:19, Murch escrev= eu: >=20 > Hello Hans, >=20 > thank you for chiming in. Please note that discussion, research, and > development of PQC solutions for Bitcoin has been on-going for severa= l > years. Please kindly catch yourself up on the status quo per the last > couple years of mailing list, Delving Bitcoin, in-person events, BIP > discussions, etc. >=20 > On 2026-11-12 09:25, Hans Stringuer wrote: > =C2=A0> I'm sharing a draft BIP for a quantum-resistant address form= at for > =C2=A0> Bitcoin, developed as part of the safe-btc project > =C2=A0> (https://github.com/Zaenus/btc-safe btc-safe>). >=20 > I=E2=80=99m afraid that yet another LLM-generated PQ proposal that yo= u started > less than 48h ago is unlikely to be the breakthrough we have been > waiting for. >=20 > Please thank Claude for its hard work. >=20 > Cheers, > Murch >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ > bitcoindev/370af76f-6bcf-435d-bf88-fd4170d18537%40murch.one > bf88-fd4170d18537%40murch.one>. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google=20 > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send=20 > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com=20 > . > To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/=20 > bitcoindev/=20 > CADrHc-2AuauYHrrgS6aXmcmJWPcE1pegDHV9HdOoQac9%2BGCn%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com= =20 > CADrHc-2AuauYHrrgS6aXmcmJWPcE1pegDHV9HdOoQac9%2BGCn%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com?= utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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