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Harding" To: Murch Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Motion to Activate BIP 3 In-Reply-To: <205b3532-ccc1-4b2f-964f-264fc6e0e70b@murch.one> References: <205b3532-ccc1-4b2f-964f-264fc6e0e70b@murch.one> Message-ID: <3a66dbbe9a9c46566c8a9a16ccb1cc91@dtrt.org> X-Sender: dave@dtrt.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rollernet-Abuse: mailto:abuse@rollernet.us https://www.rollernet.us/policy X-Rollernet-Submit: Submit ID 14c61f.691c951d.36fa2.0 X-Original-Sender: dave@dtrt.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dave@dtrt.org designates 208.79.240.5 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@dtrt.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) On 2025-11-04 15:10, Murch wrote: > Summary of changes since BIP=E2=80=AF3 was advanced to Proposed: > [...] > =C2=A0 - that BIPs submissions may not be generated by AI/LLM=E2=81=B5 > [...] > =E2=81=B5 https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2006 I strongly disagree with this change. If I were to begin working on a=20 new BIP today, I would use AI throughout the process. I'd ask it to=20 help me create a todo list of what should go in the BIP; I'd ask it to=20 create a draft based on existing BIPs, my todo list, and whatever other=20 work products I had (e.g. prototypes); I'd then ask it to help me refine=20 the document until I was satisfied. I would, of course, review every word of the draft BIP before submitting=20 it for consideration and ensure that it represented the highest quality=20 work I was able to produce---but the ultimate work would be a mix of AI=20 and human writing and editing. I think considerate use of AI would be even more valuable for people who=20 are less comfortable with writing technical English-language documents=20 than I am. For example, non-native literates, people with disabilities=20 that make text input difficulty, and those who recognize that they're=20 bad writers. The PR forbidding AI doesn't go into any detail about its motivation,=20 although it references a previous discussion[1] where a low-quality BIP=20 PR was opened using mostly AI-generated content. I'm guessing the=20 motivation is that AI (by itself) generates low-quality technical=20 content, BIPs should be high-quality technical content, and therefore we=20 should ban the use of AI. However, as mentioned in the previous discussion, the BIP process=20 already requires high-quality content.[2] AI-generated content can be=20 high-quality, especially if its creation and editing was guided by a=20 knowledgeable human. Banning specific tools like AI seems redundant and=20 penalizes people who either need those tools or who can use them=20 effectively. I advocate for reverting the first hunk of BIPs repository PR 2006. -Dave [1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2005 [2] "After fleshing out the proposal further and ensuring that it is of=20 **high quality** and properly formatted, the authors should open a pull=20 request to the BIPs repository." --BIP3, emphasis added --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= 3a66dbbe9a9c46566c8a9a16ccb1cc91%40dtrt.org.