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Applying a rate-limit to P2PK utxos directly undermines the permissionless property of Bitcoin - ownership of private keys is the right to spend as the owner wishes. Instead of allowing laggards (we know there will be some!) to move coins just before a real, quantifiable threat, Hourglass V2 all but guarantees a quantum attacker has time to attack all remaining unspent P2PK utxos during the 32 years it would take to move all coins. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/69633e8d-1491-4230-bfc8-f9300ecc97dcn%40googlegroups.com. ------=_Part_60565_883452541.1771654951633 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Disagree with this proposal. Applying a rate-limit to P2PK utxos directly u= ndermines the permissionless property of Bitcoin - ownership of private key= s is the right to spend as the owner wishes. Instead of allowing laggards (= we know there will be some!) to move coins just before a real,=C2=A0quantif= iable=C2=A0threat, Hourglass V2 all but guarantees a quantum attacker has t= ime to attack all remaining unspent P2PK utxos during the 32 years it would= take to move all coins.

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