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Interesting. Does it mean, that testnet4 fixes won't be done? https://batmanbytes.github.io/testnet4-softfork/ > For the Pubkey field, use a recent Bitcoin mainnet block hash. Do you mean taking the hash of the block, and using it as x-value for a public key? Then, it could be potentially spendable, if it would be a valid secp256k1 point, and people would send more coins to it, or unspendable, if it would be outside of the curve. For example: spendable: 0200000000000000000001799c6f72ebe5ebc6b18fd5cdf8bd3697b8d73d01b084 OP_CHECKSIG unspendable: 02000000000000000000013ac2955a2b6029bc1a86ab4b19e01e8030ceb0eeb2ae OP_CHECKSIG unspendable: 00000000000000000001799c6f72ebe5ebc6b18fd5cdf8bd3697b8d73d01b084 OP_CHECKSI= G Also, if the size of the stack push would be different than 33 or 65 bytes, then it would be unspendable (for example if it would take 32 bytes, like block hashes, and would be followed by OP_CHECKSIG, to invalidate it, or if it would start with OP_RETURN). > Difficulty: 0x1d00ffff I wonder, how quickly it would be listed on exchanges, and traded. Because historically, new testnets were launched, when that happened. But today, new coins are listed faster, than they are replaced. Which would give the creator with any ASIC an incentive, to mine initial 30k or so blocks, keep them for a while, and then sell for BTCs, when the coin will be listed. Also, I wonder if testnet5 will have any premine. Previous attempt to create testnet5: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5543921 > Testnet 5 also does not apply the difficulty exception rule from Testnet 3 or Testnet 4 requires. It would be nice to simplify the code, and remove that rule completely from sources, but it would probably take a while to deprecate testnet3 and testnet4. wt., 2 cze 2026 o 13:27 'Pol Espinasa' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List napisa=C5=82(a): > Dear list, > > I am sharing a BIP draft for a new Testnet5. > People are complaining about Testnet4 being difficult to use, the new > testnet also works as a miner playground for BIP54, we are killing two > birds with one stone. > > You can find the full text to read and comment on in the following draft > PR: https://github.com/fjahr/bips/pull/2 > Feel free to leave inline comments there or respond here on the list. > > > Pol > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/BrgqDZiNhpEz32-Z9ZX2rrPDE9EU= Ib62SKT2WsTo-yZtd3gLMLVk6TkO6kLIR96-87TumXqi92l_m1j3xlJr1tcJwG_I3UVDk2NZgXZ= L8fw%3D%40protonmail.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= CACgYNOKGG1ht-2deT3jP81BzMrcqYd8tTL-tXeX-Z5sugUngJw%40mail.gmail.com. --000000000000accb1c065346989d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I am sharing a BIP draft for a new Testnet5.

I= nteresting. Does it mean, that testnet4 fixes won't be done? https://batmanbytes.gith= ub.io/testnet4-softfork/

> For the Pubkey field, use a recent= Bitcoin mainnet block hash.

Do you mean taking the hash of the bloc= k, and using it as x-value for a public key? Then, it could be potentially = spendable, if it would be a valid secp256k1 point, and people would send mo= re coins to it, or unspendable, if it would be outside of the curve. For ex= ample:

spendable: 0200000000000000000001799c6f72ebe5ebc6b18fd5cdf8bd= 3697b8d73d01b084 OP_CHECKSIG
unspendable: 02000000000000000000013ac2955a= 2b6029bc1a86ab4b19e01e8030ceb0eeb2ae OP_CHECKSIG
unspendable: 0000000000= 0000000001799c6f72ebe5ebc6b18fd5cdf8bd3697b8d73d01b084 OP_CHECKSIG

A= lso, if the size of the stack push would be different than 33 or 65 bytes, = then it would be unspendable (for example if it would take 32 bytes, like b= lock hashes, and would be followed by OP_CHECKSIG, to invalidate it, or if = it would start with OP_RETURN).

> Difficulty: 0x1d00ffff

I= wonder, how quickly it would be listed on exchanges, and traded. Because h= istorically, new testnets were launched, when that happened. But today, new= coins are listed faster, than they are replaced. Which would give the crea= tor with any ASIC an incentive, to mine initial 30k or so blocks, keep them= for a while, and then sell for BTCs, when the coin will be listed.

= Also, I wonder if testnet5 will have any premine. Previous attempt to creat= e testnet5: h= ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D5543921

> Testnet 5 = also does not apply the difficulty exception rule from Testnet 3 or Testnet= 4 requires.

It would be nice to simplify the code, and remove that = rule completely from sources, but it would probably take a while to depreca= te testnet3 and testnet4.

wt., 2 cze 2026 o 13:27=C2= =A0'Pol Espinasa' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>= napisa=C5=82(a):
Dear list,

I am sharing a BIP draft for a new Testnet5.
People are complaining about Testnet4 be= ing difficult to use, the new testnet also works as a miner playground for = BIP54, we are killing two birds with one stone.

You can find the full text to read and comment on in the followi= ng draft PR:=C2=A0https://github.com/fjahr/bips/pull/2
Feel free to leave inline comm= ents there or respond here on the list.


Pol

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