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[2a00:1450:4864:20::12c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5b1f17b1804b1-47be3a5ba56si1428085e9.2.2025.12.24.23.21.13 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Dec 2025 23:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of saintwenhao@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12c; Received: by mail-lf1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-59b30275e69so1042886e87.1 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2025 23:21:12 -0800 (PST) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVYgsy1WLA/qJJXypAV0+YplULlhF8eFrXeh/5TA7m7xKFVL8W37u1mZsPIdcuLoxd8Z9y+Sd1ZMfLB@googlegroups.com X-Gm-Gg: AY/fxX7qS2HesZCFJDoDMIynXoAOTNI8KOTMqoubpI9BjDThtpqfRmZaPNdBOfOsk59 fIVztRGt9CeoXNiTnd9QRz9c5Ks/vctUusxn0DXicL1DvQ+oOvQTo54aDHaS1gbhQPzBIG7BcMr zkEMd/dnBJXJA7XeOAOsEzLf4qLNP4BVpRh1c6e+6O7laPN3NOibV8ZiROkqzbkeKEam9OBk4eo MB9WwqX3Knc4OYSzbHw/pCJ7g05r99Qnfqa+u9NUECnoxE/q+f23lN/AgISzS1A/qyEIQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:1446:20b0:598:f1be:7e1b with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-59a17ddb4f3mr5406918e87.27.1766647271961; Wed, 24 Dec 2025 23:21:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5c13e130-aaa2-4866-be26-7498100e868b@murch.one> <7c6800f0-7b77-4aca-a4f9-2506a2410b29@murch.one> In-Reply-To: From: Saint Wenhao Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2025 08:21:00 +0100 X-Gm-Features: AQt7F2qj-lpePWfx98-zTF58xC5ICbtwLJmp2w5kyuuWefYizNOBuuWLno138k0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Unbreaking testnet4 To: Antoine Poinsot Cc: Murch , bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000016b8c60646c19f48" X-Original-Sender: saintwenhao@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=mCAwwV6u; spf=pass (google.com: domain of saintwenhao@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=saintwenhao@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --00000000000016b8c60646c19f48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The given rationale for a difficulty reset was to let developers occasionally mine blocks on their laptop. This rationale is partially solved by Signet faucets. Miners constantly sweep coins from signet addresses like tb1pruektj90gg8nysa7yuk07w7ucwlywrf4p02lq3sz49f05xd00djscyt2fw, tb1pffsyra2t3nut94yvdae9evz3feg7tel843pfcv76vt5cwewavtesl3gsph, or tb1pf2v25yk7m8mv203pvjusmk2a8r6tu8p59nhvwux86ck3s3pp0nkqt30dvt. The only missing thing, is buying a given coinbase transaction, or block, by a given user. Because now, it is centralized in the hands of signet creators. However, if it would be possible to pay the same or greater amount, as set in the coinbase transaction (which now means 25 sBTC or more) and be rewarded with some block, or coinbase transaction, then it would pretty much cover it. Because when it comes to being rewarded, it is covered by the mining faucet. The only missing part is the control, related to manually constructing a block. As far as I know, this is the only case, where testers need to switch from signet to testnet: to test some aspects of mining. > I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule from testnet4 through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01. This date is quite close. Even if we add a week or two, it is quite likely, that either something will be deployed in the nearest future, or it won't happen at all, and we will be stuck with what we have. For now, I switched from testnet4 to signet, but I wonder, how it will turn out. Also, using some constructions, based on OP_CAT, or something similar, may be enough, to mine both at the same time, through Merged Mining. Which would then mean, that people could try to mine testnet4 blocks, and also hit signet coins from faucets, with the same power. pon., 31 mar 2025 o 22:50 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List napisa=C5=82(a): > Good point on not having the flag day on a holiday. One or two weeks > sounds good to me. > > > > > On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 8:25 AM, Murch wrote: > > > > > > > Errr, I wrote the same date as you, but I meant a week later, 2026-01-0= 8 > > instead. > > > > -Murch > > > > On 2025-03-21 14:20, Murch wrote: > > > > > Hey Antoine and everyone, > > > > > > What you suggest makes sense to me. Since the 20-minute difficulty > > > exception is now exploited perpetually, it doesn=E2=80=99t serve its = intended > > > purpose of allowing developers to mine themselves a few coins easily = or > > > confirm their own non-standard transactions. In that case, it would b= e > > > better to not have it at all. > > > > > > On 2025-03-18 07:29, 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailin= g > > > List wrote: > > > > > > > I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule from > > > > testnet4 through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01. > > > > > > I would suggest to pick a date that=E2=80=99s not a holiday in many p= laces to > > > avoid disrupting people=E2=80=99s holiday, how about 2026-01-01 inste= ad? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Murch > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7c6800f0-7b77-4aca-a4f9-2506= a2410b29%40murch.one > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/vgcVopNpWCowIGaIpVgjsCWyTMjx= VKoWtRdDVnTNrM8tYPjKtC6MJ6S-2KxIYdJYgAhG8iNPig-xijwd7DtAm6tHN3T3xgIMUNUSTBY= vT_A%3D%40protonmail.com > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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> The given rationale for a difficulty reset was to let= developers occasionally mine blocks on their laptop.

This rationale= is partially solved by Signet faucets. Miners constantly sweep coins from = signet addresses like tb1pruektj90gg8nysa7yuk07w7ucwlywrf4p02lq3sz49f05xd00= djscyt2fw, tb1pffsyra2t3nut94yvdae9evz3feg7tel843pfcv76vt5cwewavtesl3gsph, = or tb1pf2v25yk7m8mv203pvjusmk2a8r6tu8p59nhvwux86ck3s3pp0nkqt30dvt.

T= he only missing thing, is buying a given coinbase transaction, or block, by= a given user. Because now, it is centralized in the hands of signet creato= rs. However, if it would be possible to pay the same or greater amount, as = set in the coinbase transaction (which now means 25 sBTC or more) and be re= warded with some block, or coinbase transaction, then it would pretty much = cover it.

Because when it comes to being rewarded, it is covered by = the mining faucet. The only missing part is the control, related to manuall= y constructing a block. As far as I know, this is the only case, where test= ers need to switch from signet to testnet: to test some aspects of mining.<= br>
> I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule fro= m testnet4 through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01.

This date is = quite close. Even if we add a week or two, it is quite likely, that either = something will be deployed in the nearest future, or it won't happen at= all, and we will be stuck with what we have.

For now, I switched fr= om testnet4 to signet, but I wonder, how it will turn out.

Also, usi= ng some constructions, based on OP_CAT, or something similar, may be enough= , to mine both at the same time, through Merged Mining. Which would then me= an, that people could try to mine testnet4 blocks, and also hit signet coin= s from faucets, with the same power.

pon., 31 mar 2025= o 22:50=C2=A0'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing Lis= t <bitcoindev@googlegroup= s.com> napisa=C5=82(a):
Good point on not having the flag day on a holiday. One or t= wo weeks sounds good to me.




On Monday, March 24th, 2025 at 8:25 AM, Murch <murch@murch.one> wrote= :

>
>
> Errr, I wrote the same date as you, but I meant a week later, 2026-01-= 08
> instead.
>
> -Murch
>
> On 2025-03-21 14:20, Murch wrote:
>
> > Hey Antoine and everyone,
> >
> > What you suggest makes sense to me. Since the 20-minute difficult= y
> > exception is now exploited perpetually, it doesn=E2=80=99t serve = its intended
> > purpose of allowing developers to mine themselves a few coins eas= ily or
> > confirm their own non-standard transactions. In that case, it wou= ld be
> > better to not have it at all.
> >
> > On 2025-03-18 07:29, 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Develo= pment Mailing
> > List wrote:
> >
> > > I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule = from
> > > testnet4 through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01.
> >
> > I would suggest to pick a date that=E2=80=99s not a holiday in ma= ny places to
> > avoid disrupting people=E2=80=99s holiday, how about 2026-01-01 i= nstead?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Murch
>
>
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