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[2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ffacd0b85a97d-42995ff903dsi98866f8f.6.2025.10.26.13.48.10 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jameson.lopp@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22b; Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-36295d53a10so33213871fa.0 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvda47nBq8KDdMVpaXAPJRSuFnmq64G2j2ZKnU6bkNj/sLRKpCe2yhoRL/BTFP BGld9dfoGpARbzW4AcvYy6UOFhE8udPgks6dHFkVi1VbFfxE4bEyA72kz7EIGUthbI5gLGLuvcd enlRr+nYdZAQ51K0I55Xpr9hwSDutArF8a5a1fh3xM4drMVL8/cqJ+hiaJYwh7+5s9w0vdr7jtY pVIlFZpj1I1A9V3xDHv7tvNyAaMI2UgoPZipqzOmIHS8yVUWkxaIv+ko7VXUUBfdFxMuH6U3Pnw vu8U3JY7BwrMkRQm3txxC+aGWoAkJn0fbYqTb68sBPiL1prTzvAJsMLELI0v5ka1mgpPYbsZ0Wb +nA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:be83:0:b0:36d:4e3b:f1e3 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-37797867271mr110450731fa.13.1761511689702; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:48:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Jameson Lopp Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 16:47:57 -0400 X-Gm-Features: AWmQ_bn3910atDA8mSn_74urptoKKfZDYGCQgfTYQ9hEBHyfOWQZcnzD7fBS5oM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] [BIP Proposal] Reduced Data Temporary Softfork To: dathonohm@proton.me Cc: "bitcoindev@googlegroups.com" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008855a1064215e657" X-Original-Sender: jameson.lopp@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="SEQU/xdd"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jameson.lopp@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jameson.lopp@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000008855a1064215e657 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's quite clear from the PR discussion that there are a multitude of contentious issues at play with this proposal. Even aside from all of the technical concerns, the underlying implication of using legal coercion to require miners and other network participants to comply with arbitrary legal and moral frameworks makes it a non-starter in my opinion. On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at 3:43=E2=80=AFPM dathonohm via Bitcoin Development M= ailing List wrote: > Hi list - > > Due to Bitcoin Core v30 gaining in popularity, it has become necessary to > move forward on luke-jr's ML proposal > to temporarily limit > arbitrary data at the consensus level, which so far has 3 weeks with no > objections: > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2017 > > The idea is to strongly re-affirm in consensus that bitcoin is money, not > data storage. It is implemented as a temporary softfork that can activate > in one of two different ways: proactive, or reactive. > > After a year, the soft fork expires, giving us time to come up with a mor= e > permanent solution. > > The timeline is a bit tight, but I think everyone has incentives to > support a quick and orderly activation. > > Please feel free to leave a comment on the PR or reach out to me over > email with any feedback. > > There is much work still to do, so if you have some technical skills and > would like to join in the effort with dev/testing, please reach out as we= ll. > > Bitcoin is money. > > Sincerely, > > Dathon Ohm > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/AWiF9dIo9yjUF9RAs_NLwYdGK11B= F8C8oEArR6Cys-rbcZ8_qs3RoJURqK3CqwCCWM_zwGFn5n3RECW_j5hGS01ntGzPLptqcOyOeju= nYsU%3D%40proton.me > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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It's quite clear from the PR discussion that there are= a multitude of contentious issues at play with this proposal.

Even aside from all of the technical concerns, the underlying implic= ation of using legal coercion to require miners and other network participa= nts=C2=A0to comply with arbitrary legal and moral frameworks makes it a non= -starter in my opinion.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2025 at = 3:43=E2=80=AFPM dathonohm via Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>= wrote:
Hi list -

Due to Bitcoin Core v30 gaining in popularity, it has= become necessary to move forward on luke-jr's ML proposal=C2=A0to tempo= rarily limit arbitrary data at the consensus level, which so far has 3 week= s with no objections:

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/2017
The idea is to strongly re-affirm in consensus tha= t bitcoin is money, not data storage. It is implemented as a temporary soft= fork that can activate in one of two different ways: proactive, or reactive= .

After a year, the soft= fork expires, giving us time to come up with a more permanent solution.

The timeline is a bit tigh= t, but I think everyone has incentives to support a quick and orderly activ= ation.
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Please feel free to l= eave a comment on the PR or reach out to me over email with any feedback.= =C2=A0

There is much work still to do, so if yo= u have some technical skills and would like to join in the effort with dev/= testing, please reach out as well.

Bitcoin is m= oney.

Sincerely,

Dathon Ohm

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