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I see now that I need to do more research, especially on the ongoing discussions. There are too many points I should understand better and thanks for pointing them out, I will put more work there before releasing anything. I already thanked Claude, he helped me a lot. Just for the record I do not believe that I will contribute with any breakthrough. Cheers, Hans Em sex., 13 de nov. de 2026 =C3=A0s 17:19, Murch escreveu= : > Hello Hans, > > thank you for chiming in. Please note that discussion, research, and > development of PQC solutions for Bitcoin has been on-going for several > years. Please kindly catch yourself up on the status quo per the last > couple years of mailing list, Delving Bitcoin, in-person events, BIP > discussions, etc. > > On 2026-11-12 09:25, Hans Stringuer wrote: > > I'm sharing a draft BIP for a quantum-resistant address format for > > Bitcoin, developed as part of the safe-btc project > > (https://github.com/Zaenus/btc-safe). > > I=E2=80=99m afraid that yet another LLM-generated PQ proposal that you st= arted > less than 48h ago is unlikely to be the breakthrough we have been > waiting for. > > Please thank Claude for its hard work. > > Cheers, > Murch > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/370af76f-6bcf-435d-bf88-fd41= 70d18537%40murch.one > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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Hey Much,

=C2=A0 Thanks for = the feedback. I see now that I need to do more=C2=A0research, especially on= =C2=A0the ongoing discussions. There are too many points I should understan= d better and thanks for pointing them out,=C2=A0I will put more work there = before releasing anything.
=C2=A0 I already thanked Claude, he he= lped me a lot. Just for the record I do not believe that I will contribute = with any=C2=A0breakthrough.

Cheers,
Hans=

Em sex., 13 de nov. de 2026 =C3=A0s 17:19, Mu= rch <murch@murch.one> escreveu:
Hello Hans,

thank you for chiming in. Please note that discussion, research, and
development of PQC solutions for Bitcoin has been on-going for several
years. Please kindly catch yourself up on the status quo per the last
couple years of mailing list, Delving Bitcoin, in-person events, BIP
discussions, etc.

On 2026-11-12 09:25, Hans Stringuer wrote:
=C2=A0> I'm sharing a draft BIP for a quantum-resistant address form= at for
=C2=A0> Bitcoin, developed as part of the safe-btc project
=C2=A0> (https://github.com/Zaenus/btc-safe).

I=E2=80=99m afraid that yet another LLM-generated PQ proposal that you star= ted
less than 48h ago is unlikely to be the breakthrough we have been
waiting for.

Please thank Claude for its hard work.

Cheers,
Murch

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