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To: RB GAMING , Nikita Karetnikov Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008f38ad0651425f24" X-Original-Sender: amonmoce@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20251104 header.b=q4wpIcLI; arc=pass (i=1); spf=pass (google.com: domain of amonmoce@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=amonmoce@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000008f38ad0651425f24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Ronak and all, Thanks for the feedback. You are right to be concerned. Let me add some more lights: 1. First, we suppose BIP-360 is a prerequisite to my proposal. Which means that all new addresses would be quantum-resistant. Each old-address holder is responsible to migrate to a new quantum-resistant address. 2. So when a hunter (I prefer this term instead of attacker), proves quantum capability from a monitored address, vulnerable because it didn't migrate to a new quantum-resistant address, the transaction can be redirected to mechanism that splits the transaction in two: 10% to the winning hunter and 90% to a fund that will distribute the rest following the bitcoin halving cycle. 3. So in practice, each vulnerable UTXO is a "bitcoin one piece" opportunity. So we might not even have the same hunter for all the ~6.7M BTC. So it diffuses the risks, so we do not break bitcoin's core principles, and we still allow hunters to deserve their reward the same way miners deserve their reward. I don't know if it adds some elements that can help clarify the idea. Thanks for reading, Amon On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 8:32=E2=80=AFPM RB GAMING wrote: > Hi Amon, > > I read your BIP draft, and personally I like the =E2=80=9COne Piece=E2=80= =9D concept more > than freezing Bitcoin because of quantum theft risks. The idea is creativ= e, > and theoretically it makes sense. > > However, from a practical perspective, I am still concerned about the > ~6.7M BTC that could become quantum-exposed. The main issue is that we > cannot accurately predict how fast quantum computing will evolve in the > future. If quantum capabilities become much stronger than expected, the > reward mechanism could create massive incentives for attackers and > potentially harm Bitcoin=E2=80=99s long-term stability and value. > > I do not think the idea is bad at all in fact, it is one of the more > interesting approaches to this problem. I just feel the risks may current= ly > be higher than we expect, which is why freezing vulnerable coins seems li= ke > the safer option for now. > > Of course, this is only my personal point of view. I may be missing some > cases or thinking differently from your perspective, so please do not tak= e > my comments the wrong way. I appreciate the effort and creativity behind > the proposal, and maybe with further refinement the idea could become eve= n > stronger. > > Best regards, > Ronak > > On Thu, 7 May, 2026, 9:19=E2=80=AFpm Amon BAZONGO, w= rote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'd like to share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative framework >> to BIP-361's proposed coin freeze. >> >> The core argument: rather than suspending Bitcoin's neutrality to preven= t >> quantum theft, we can structure the inevitable quantum capture of expose= d >> coins as a self-financing prize mechanism =E2=80=94 the largest open tec= hnological >> prize in history. >> >> The proposal introduces three components: >> >> - Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT): recognition of a successful spend >> from a quantum-exposed address >> - Quantum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, >> distributes periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with the >> halving cycle >> - Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who >> demonstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, unfalsifiable >> register of global quantum capabilities >> >> The capturing actor receives 10% immediately as a First Reward, with >> ongoing distributions from the Vault =E2=80=94 creating long-term alignm= ent with >> ecosystem stability rather than incentivizing immediate liquidation. >> >> Draft: >> https://github.com/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bi= p-hunting-the-bitcoin-one-piece.md >> >> Looking forward to technical and philosophical feedback. >> >> Best, >> Amon >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/46a49975-dbaa-48d5-b50f-36c= 649041933n%40googlegroups.com >> >> . >> > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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Hello Ronak and all,

Thanks for the fee= dback. You are right to be concerned.=C2=A0

Let me= add some more lights:
1. First, we suppose BIP-360 is a prerequisite to= my proposal. Which means that all new addresses=C2=A0would be=C2=A0quantum= -resistant. Each old-address holder is responsible to migrate to a new quan= tum-resistant address.
2. So when a hunter (I prefer this term in= stead of attacker), proves=C2=A0quantum capability from a monitored address= , vulnerable because it didn't migrate to a new quantum-resistant addre= ss, the transaction can be redirected to mechanism that splits the transact= ion in two: 10% to the winning hunter=C2=A0and 90% to a fund that will dist= ribute the rest following the bitcoin=C2=A0halving cycle.
3. So i= n practice, each vulnerable UTXO is a "bitcoin one piece" opportu= nity. So we might not even have the same hunter for all the ~6.7M BTC.

So it diffuses the risks, so we do not break bitcoin&#= 39;s core principles, and we still allow hunters to deserve their reward th= e same way miners deserve their reward.

I don'= t know if it adds some elements that can help clarify the idea.
<= br>
Thanks for reading,
Amon

<= br>

On Thu, May 7, 2026 at 8:32=E2=80=AFPM RB GA= MING <ronakbharadiya180@g= mail.com> wrote:

Hi Amon,

I read your BIP draft, and pers= onally I like the =E2=80=9COne Piece=E2=80=9D concept more than freezing Bi= tcoin because of quantum theft risks. The idea is creative, and theoretical= ly it makes sense.

However, from a practical perspective, I am still = concerned about the ~6.7M BTC that could become quantum-exposed. The main i= ssue is that we cannot accurately predict how fast quantum computing will e= volve in the future. If quantum capabilities become much stronger than expe= cted, the reward mechanism could create massive incentives for attackers an= d potentially harm Bitcoin=E2=80=99s long-term stability and value.

I= do not think the idea is bad at all in fact, it is one of the more interes= ting approaches to this problem. I just feel the risks may currently be hig= her than we expect, which is why freezing vulnerable coins seems like the s= afer option for now.

Of course, this is only my personal point of vie= w. I may be missing some cases or thinking differently from your perspectiv= e, so please do not take my comments the wrong way. I appreciate the effort= and creativity behind the proposal, and maybe with further refinement the = idea could become even stronger.

Best regards,
Ronak


=
On Thu, 7 = May, 2026, 9:19=E2=80=AFpm Amon BAZONGO, <amonmoce@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I'd like to = share a draft Informational BIP as an alternative framework to BIP-361'= s proposed coin freeze.

The core argument: rather than suspending Bi= tcoin's neutrality to prevent quantum theft, we can structure the inevi= table quantum capture of exposed coins as a self-financing prize mechanism = =E2=80=94 the largest open technological prize in history.

The propo= sal introduces three components:

- Genesis Quantum Transaction (GQT)= : recognition of a successful spend from a quantum-exposed address
- Qua= ntum Vault (QV): automatically receives 90% of captured funds, distributes = periodically to proven quantum actors synchronized with the halving cycle- Quantum Proof Address (QPA): the on-chain identity of any actor who dem= onstrates quantum capture capability, forming a public, unfalsifiable regis= ter of global quantum capabilities

The capturing actor receives 10% = immediately as a First Reward, with ongoing distributions from the Vault = =E2=80=94 creating long-term alignment with ecosystem stability rather than= incentivizing immediate liquidation.

Draft: https://github.co= m/amonmoce/Hunting-The-Bitcoin-One-Piece/blob/master/bip-hunting-the-bitcoi= n-one-piece.md

Looking forward to technical and philosophical fe= edback.

Best,
Amon

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