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There wasn't any other "adoption" criteria (especially "2.5%"). As the Bitcoin Whitepaper says: "As long as honest nodes control the most CPU power on the network, they can generate the longest chain and outpace any attackers. (...) Each node works on finding a difficult proof-of-work for its block". The chain is mined by many more nodes than the single one "Roughnecks" that you mentioned below. Roughnecks' decision does not represent the other nodes. Roughnecks node is free to leave at will as specified in the Bitcoin Whitepaper: "Nodes can leave and rejoin the network at will (...)". Again, there are estimated 18 000 fully validating nodes in the Bitcoin network and they don't reject the BIP-110 soft-fork (a.k.a. RDTS). I am running of the nodes and has just broadcast a transaction. It's not an altcoin transaction. The bitcoins should not be confiscated. Therefore, I think that my objection is justified. I look forward to a reply. On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 at 21:42, Murch wrote: > Hello Greg, > > BIP=E2=80=AF110 failed to achieve adoption in both phases of its deployme= nt > attempt. It got just shy of 2.5% of blocks signaling readiness in the > latest signaling period, and since RDTS nodes mandated signaling, RDTS > nodes relegated themselves to a chain that only found two blocks, while > the Bitcoin blockchain grew by 134 blocks. The sole block author on the > RDTS chaintip has since announced that they have ceased mining on the > stalled chaintip. > > While it=E2=80=99s your choice to remain on the stalled chaintip or to th= row-in > with the hard fork that is now being discussed, it=E2=80=99s clear that t= he > Bitcoin network rejected the soft fork. The minority hashrate chaintip > therefore constitutes a forkcoin. Altcoins are not on-topic for the BIPs > repository, and therefore, BIP110 should be advanced from Deployed to > Closed as it is obsolete. > > Murch > > On 2026-08-09 11:36, Greg Tonoski wrote: > > Objection. The Bitcoin Improvement Proposal 110 (BIP-110 Reduced Data > > Temporary Softfork) has been activated. There are two blocks with the > > bit 4 signal (block height 961633) and the estimated 18 000 fully > > validating nodes in the network. I keep running such a node and > > accepting payments even if time interval between blocks is temporarily > > longer until the next difficulty adjustment. > > > > On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 at 20:07, Jon Atack > > wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > I'd like to propose marking BIP 110 Reduced Data Temporary Softfork > > as closed, following the chain split yesterday during its mandatory > > signaling period, when its chain began rejecting as invalid all > > blocks that did not signal bit 4 and mining and block production > > stalled on the BIP 110 chain. > > > > Per BIP 3, a BIP may evolve from Deployed to Closed when it is no > > longer in active use. Any community member may initiate this status > > update by announcing it to the mailing list, and proceed if no > > objections have been raised for four weeks. 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The BIP-110 was activated at the block height as you = (Mark Erhardt) approved in the specification. There wasn't any other &q= uot;adoption" criteria (especially "2.5%").

As the Bitcoin Whitepaper says: "As long as honest nodes cont= rol the most CPU power on the network, they can generate the longest chain = and outpace any attackers. (...) Each node works on finding a difficult pro= of-of-work for its block". The chain is mined by many more nodes than = the single one "Roughnecks" that you mentioned below. Roughnecks&= #39; decision does not represent the other nodes. Roughnecks node is free t= o leave at will as specified in the Bitcoin Whitepaper: "Nodes can lea= ve and rejoin the network at will (...)". Again, there are estimated 1= 8 000 fully validating nodes in the Bitcoin network and they don't reje= ct the BIP-110 soft-fork (a.k.a. RDTS). I am running of the nodes and has j= ust broadcast a transaction. It's not an altcoin transaction. The bitco= ins should not be confiscated. Therefore, I think that my objection is just= ified.

I look forward to a reply.

On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 at 21:42, Murch <murch@murch.one> wrote:
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Hello Greg,

BIP=E2=80=AF110 failed to achieve adoption in both phases of its deployment=
attempt. It got just shy of 2.5% of blocks signaling readiness in the
latest signaling period, and since RDTS nodes mandated signaling, RDTS
nodes relegated themselves to a chain that only found two blocks, while the Bitcoin blockchain grew by 134 blocks. The sole block author on the RDTS chaintip has since announced that they have ceased mining on the
stalled chaintip.

While it=E2=80=99s your choice to remain on the stalled chaintip or to thro= w-in
with the hard fork that is now being discussed, it=E2=80=99s clear that the=
Bitcoin network rejected the soft fork. The minority hashrate chaintip
therefore constitutes a forkcoin. Altcoins are not on-topic for the BIPs repository, and therefore, BIP110 should be advanced from Deployed to
Closed as it is obsolete.

Murch

On 2026-08-09 11:36, Greg Tonoski wrote:
> Objection. The Bitcoin Improvement Proposal 110 (BIP-110 Reduced Data =
> Temporary Softfork) has been activated. There are two blocks with the =
> bit 4 signal (block height 961633) and the estimated 18 000 fully
> validating nodes in the network. I keep running such a node and
> accepting payments even if time interval between blocks is temporarily=
> longer until the next difficulty adjustment.
>
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 at 20:07, Jon Atack <jonnyatack@gmail.com
> <mailto:j= onnyatack@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello list,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'd like to propose marking BIP 110=C2=A0Reduce= d Data Temporary Softfork
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as closed, following the chain split yesterday duri= ng its mandatory
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0signaling period, when its chain began rejecting as= invalid all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0blocks that did not signal bit 4 and mining and blo= ck production
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stalled on the BIP 110 chain.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Per BIP 3, a BIP may evolve from Deployed to Closed= when it is no
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0longer in active use. Any community member may init= iate this status
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0update by announcing it to the mailing list,=C2=A0a= nd proceed if no
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0objections have been raised for four weeks. BIPs ar= e not deleted;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they are retained for historical/educational intere= st after being
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0updated to Closed.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jon
>
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