From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Delivery-date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:13 -0700 Received: from mail-oa1-f57.google.com ([209.85.160.57]) by mail.fairlystable.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1wtMST-0007W3-Bt for bitcoindev@gnusha.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:13 -0700 Received: by mail-oa1-f57.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-45952ce9ee0sf1934167fac.1 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:12 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; t=1786354687; cv=pass; d=google.com; s=arc-20260327; b=f+0D9EYmEKsE9vFwEucKfGtLcIfa8JP5VWC2QsP127ea8fnpbI2yLnYfENKN44tCL4 MLDKZRjf3QzuDuDowDDIhl+YC8/vOwg2IPYm82/m4HDA9g55kRDkhieEetyWbE2qQSra 4qM2BBjp7lTEFIQWSSQalrm+/uEZMT9t+8eMV9qC8D+0O3QMYZ55k7pKExxePeudFTqU JEt/Q7MEtuHO1jPX+mllagHQVeTNDd11YXYG36oX61qI2RfBk5hy7RBImYlOBISA6lhk oxZ/nz46s80LSLCRQ5ujaR1DKi/u0mdbMGBPUBjVreJ0x534g5T+4dKk7uVNg/uWZOH6 6z4Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20260327; h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post :list-id:mailing-list:precedence:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:dkim-signature; bh=vjrO8zZ74aPBd9rKdDQSPGK+DqZCbaKPTkA9DWnfv4M=; fh=UT8B9SWU6GrLh2CRGLBNusNAVOIf8zs8FmYl+xCNUwI=; b=Sv1JLsMDylcPckU+UwtbVU6vc6GrHIcjFsSo6Cabgzki11h+D8FeLOECzIX0Wb6gIK pqqZygDbpPTkqjmDrhFM2+qh+jmDxFJ9R9nU1wyuPeemMkVl4zWWzBwRnTj1nnZYyNp3 /qRtbemV8fhZC1nR1G5hqJmFESQYBM0DRVcg0elVGfONuX2KbnSDUhuWEG8XHJTWbiJG cVdsQ18h6ya8d0Y3gHYibkxpGpBQJ21b1vWZ51tsVYcWmqFBMKQVVrrsrRjLziQPs1/F DRPhhjSGKx8Fyl6E6YO3kv35cbkjB5NVFXl5CF5DR36dH/0TEmZhvibcaiWUEq8OYhjQ Wdgw==; darn=gnusha.org ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20251104 header.b=EY3CdN6j; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jonasd.nick@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jonasd.nick@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20251104; t=1786354687; x=1786959487; darn=gnusha.org; h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post :list-id:mailing-list:precedence:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:content-type:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to:content-type; bh=vjrO8zZ74aPBd9rKdDQSPGK+DqZCbaKPTkA9DWnfv4M=; b=oNUfx4Rkl78yVBN2eHjc4qdmpE1LX0ERl++5OsTjUcVgALJfbNRGhRmkh/pTlsrnLp waTNcWdYhUedEvF51dZ4n3Q+ku7b6BH4+kXhIHJltl3rarxuXnAuLpS+vLmcQ0pnluMi 0rMYJL87CjbSwxHs6iTWmNvMxVxzzZ451wxqWJ5v9/Obg+m8EF6rI/FzKaNr5gx5vtj3 GQemf4w0uZz9uH7upW6YQp9BpwN+uZfd5ydyJ1qAUxt6YzaAeQXhEdADE7PqeWFHfqvG ci4zrjgCThrNRyTplJ9hVuBXv1O6syiB1k60GsSzchV9JQkxWd1BfjopZS37swF0sYkq qZIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20251104; t=1786354687; x=1786959487; h=list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-help:list-post :list-id:mailing-list:precedence:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:content-type:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:x-gm-gg:x-beenthere:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to:content-type; bh=vjrO8zZ74aPBd9rKdDQSPGK+DqZCbaKPTkA9DWnfv4M=; b=C6YowIcBLowKdTvZxfpdnNwlvhQTjLqnuLxELRxmDjTmXDRHgFRSBW3ilTo297FjU/ XS2/cnmw25NH6r5hT6ihr8lo8maL9LrXQ8gf01qWJIQlggX+hdSJYfr/dHpYhi0syl2S vwMGSDgv8AA1TTgWJQPzPM/p57MYGVAdmHwwQa8AOg9736o26hnoYzxRB5qNO3/nQaN2 Hw97+8E+cenFB1wJjaID6xp/lXyRzlmkZZYhUKFp6/4by6HLxHxYU7TbhhAv867fm6eX awkKZnJcoTePVBCtR+qgQcOZECYh9TRBKBtQopguLxtlNezpY2xU8pMcmDfc1IkubXyW m1GQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=2; AHgh+RqGNnMVAnl3rxygEXF1E4xsMRZ1cyJLDRzrodX6Gx1Ra9oh0FD5rYTmPSKZbTfdQ9MBNMRlCJ+wVhmg@gnusha.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw+JbsAJg8PhXsbG0sDRdJoLZms2FElJfkOUyXDLwRijkoHHGQx kJCQhZHnDeuTdl3YVcwWXQgUutFgrkva5u0ZKvite0SBuiJ2ZlpWXegz X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:215:b0:456:f9b5:b422 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-45e05c2f4ecmr147510fac.3.1786354686868; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; h="Aa7YSPRdsVsFi6mMLT4C8nyilrmzJCkrDp5jOaJiL1ATDrZoSg==" Received: by 2002:a05:6871:a903:b0:448:7b8c:24ee with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-459cd1b6accls2231826fac.0.-pod-prod-05-us; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:c3f3:b0:495:feaa:9e39 with SMTP id 5614622812f47-4b1e7732b1cmr127904b6e.6.1786354682014; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 02:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 2002:a05:600c:570f:b0:495:5022:71be with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4995b122a12ms5e9; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4688:b0:495:6bc9:62b0 with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-4994e7d1487mr525295155e9.17.1786349321707; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1786349321; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20260327; b=D5E1Cqk4sQCm/+UGSSmYeLbirR6EaDSgXQine4UarwvbRCuzdDVCa7Qt4dLwrBV97y ckfKOa9Bg2YrRR1gRDbWpHHpRFMOFHsmnkazc0Cy6R9H3s2fA0s6+F60ysI0bTgp7bRz GIn0qB4JqHd/bOgdivY7+tr1IQq2TTgS3N17OfxdwDBLI/p7kGDXOwF9dIdA1xxROGCc yxlRnEewoCK+/iwxNvxNS69YYWpYjnNCkmMr0OtQ4gJ9Guy74jtj4Zabye2ZmUo67yN1 /TuXKX7Dmsos6+RkLdpLJCmRlmfxW+1GzQradywbm4Om/iSibhfGRSf40rIxvg7h6Vu0 W6mg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20260327; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :sender:dkim-signature; bh=w2AYox7E9tOacbnakfXnOIQUKfBLstoqwxfgI+Jsjow=; fh=VcGcg+Zjs9gw1uDcHbxsAILhBAcecnbJzZRdxgKVDIc=; b=J0zfC+8V3YXaAoeLm/dpz+KdqoCpmW6A5hPzT2gxCwlSs8E3riAdoObogxN/X7Az2R QzBEYmhK0ncC6bz1/vK/h15V2qbQve1NLXloEBGyACPY26GWlMZIgHED8NT+7xMck80/ 8i6yysYJkggyyItHbSZiIsW+s6a+QeZ9B4NtzOFrjNbyIpR5c/+F4WAcHXpYZWB9DFX/ Cybnz1vGQRpXApBXmIE53qvY2bMh2MF8CVi2cwu2KAx0IBOWonmY9r4CL6ziZISENFcF 7sui5cPxJFUfMgh55Sf1/hgJVyY0u1edXsllkVaurQtbI20RjXci4YC98Qp0liwvwbDZ ELxg==; dara=google.com ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20251104 header.b=EY3CdN6j; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jonasd.nick@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jonasd.nick@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com. [2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5b1f17b1804b1-4995bdb6e53si1628625e9.1.2026.08.10.01.08.41 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jonasd.nick@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52c; Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-6a0c8283146so2196483a12.0 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Gg: AR+sD13CeYQclMPUVfYALNd5jgxI77EFZ1EWQhbNTrIa3g16mryHJLDZU/WBfWuLotN odz4l9mxXrwV/781uhTgYoNaqEPc9DzkAelrRMrcP4r922L2A5cQPjsc0NY3ZpzyQUNI44Wq2Wr nZx/o3NKP3CkbJuFHi2WK6PCXqXRUi1Es2HYAdmRuDBB4K9HmGwPG+meT/umfZoWX5uKzDtwP/x y39q01F5nar9X4aHh8lx/jpKIj0UtMysHb2M+I5J/o2l4RJSBxeuB3/O8qloGO/xH6DFJoIcgNf Wmo7UDQz0Z/flrN7A9lpWUnvUQPfAt5zb23WBbXPkR1zsK36RZpm2ma/FK67vpVB/dV06Q+Dt7m L+tJFz2SJZKEwCNNNYnLOHTs4fX+Xw0Z+0dXBdhfktA9KdV0dj+GYmayuzGlVgwU8WPwEJh5LOp OJOPfMvqLm7wVdbFjnPe0fzxRfpBIXh2cyQLLi1cTRLnQkFPW/nN+4j/Xn77SgN2OdJCuiS9Tzd 162lXkpoOwDSY/K43kHWIokJf6wanvLtwXcuUw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:a0cf:b0:6a0:a4f5:f4eb with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-6a355d66d8bmr98554a12.4.1786349321146; Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPV6:2001:4bb8:146:cb0f:a598:87b6:b62d:cdf8? ([2001:4bb8:146:cb0f:a598:87b6:b62d:cdf8]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-6a1e7cab26fsm3530925a12.7.2026.08.10.01.08.40 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Aug 2026 01:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Jonas Nick Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2026 08:08:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Motion to remove Luke Dashjr from BIP Editors To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jonas Nick In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed X-Original-Sender: jonasdnick@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20251104 header.b=EY3CdN6j; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jonasd.nick@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::52c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jonasd.nick@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) I support this motion. BIP editors should actively review BIP drafts, apply the BIP process neutrally, and provide technically precise feedback. Inactive editors do not need editorial permissions. This is even more true if their main activity in the last two years is using the role to advance a proposal they personally support while bypassing the established process, as Murch described. The basic duties of BIP editors require precise use of established technical terminology and good judgment. Luke routinely uses technical terms in ways that are incompatible with their established meanings. Recent examples of such misuse and poor judgment include saying that "BIP110 is Bitcoin," that "BIP110 has consensus," and that "Activation is certain" [1]. I find it particularly concerning that Luke, in his recent advocacy for BIP 110, irresponsibly misled users by repeatedly calling it "zero risk" [2]. The BIPs repository deserves editors who can communicate effectively and maintain a basic working relationship with the other editors. Calling Murch, one of the most productive BIP editors, "a liar" without even identifying what he allegedly lied about does not meet that standard [3]. [1] https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2082795948648919419 https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2081971093292662882 https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2086121519315374526 [2] https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2030565712629035382 https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2081086470194860053 https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2067690041669832963 [3] https://x.com/LukeDashjr/status/2046598586494857478 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/cb930bf6-985c-47f1-bf99-0bc9ebd650b9%40gmail.com.