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Harding" To: Greg Maxwell Cc: Murch , bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Motion to Activate BIP 3 In-Reply-To: References: <205b3532-ccc1-4b2f-964f-264fc6e0e70b@murch.one> <3a66dbbe9a9c46566c8a9a16ccb1cc91@dtrt.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: dave@dtrt.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed X-Rollernet-Abuse: mailto:abuse@rollernet.us https://www.rollernet.us/policy X-Rollernet-Submit: Submit ID 14fe4f.691d62d7.3d934.0 X-Original-Sender: dave@dtrt.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dave@dtrt.org designates 2607:fe70:0:3::d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dave@dtrt.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) > With outright AI 'authorship' you immediately run into potential > copyright issues-- which I think is the origin of the "generated by" > prohibition, otherwise I think disclosure would be sufficient. What potential issues? I'm not familiar (and did not find in a quick search) any authors or publishers who were sued for using content generated by AI; all the lawsuits I found were against companies that produced AI tools. > the number of good submissions that could be made would hardly be > increased by LLMs [...] but the number of potential poor submissions is > increased astronomically. So I think it's pretty clearly a net harm to > have text authored that way. What evidence do you have that the number of good submissions could hardly be increased by the use of LLMs? (Perhaps see my next point before replying to this one.) > I've never had an impression that drafting was at all a limiting step > in writing BIPs Ten years ago, I wrote the draft text for what became BIP125 because several developers in a public Bitcoin Core IRC meeting said they thought there should be a BIP. I think they were all hoping that someone else would do it, and I have no way to tell if it would've been written had I not volunteered. I wonder if there's a hidden survivorship bias in your impression of the situation. It's easy to think of all the great BIPs we have today---but how many great BIPs could we have had if creating them was faster and easier? I think many Bitcoin developers feel "better with code than words" and only undertake documentation tasks reluctantly; if AI can help write documentation, even just a rough draft, is that not a boon? > I think LLMs have generally created something of an existential threat > to most open collaborations: Now its so easy to get flooded out by > subtly worthless material. Is it not equally something of an existential threat to open collaboration to deny to open collaborators the powerful tools that closed collaborators may use? I like AI-assisted writing; my response to BIP3 being deployed in its current form will not be to write manually; it will be to use AI but publish elsewhere---likely a place with fewer openly collaborating peer reviewers than the current BIPs repo. (This is hypothetical; I have no current plans to write any specification documents.) -Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/d0eb41a70b2ef94c2645b3f0a4b12c30%40dtrt.org.