This community NEEDS to adopt a code of conduct. Recent events make t… #7243

jrmithdobbs commented at 7:45 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

…his glaringly obvious.

This community NEEDS to adopt a code of conduct. Recent events make this glaringly obvious. 25f6d84a18

[Insert Email here] 68c708f366

in CONDUCT.md:None in 25f6d84a18 outdated

  33 | +
  34 | +This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces
  35 | +when an individual is representing the project or its community.
  36 | +
  37 | +Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be
  38 | +reported by contacting a project maintainer at [INSERT EMAIL ADDRESS]. All

jonasschnelli commented at 7:52 PM on December 21, 2015:

[INSERT EMAIL ADDRESS] -> use IRC channel #bitcoin-core-dev or https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues or https://bitcoin.org/en/development?

jrmithdobbs commented at 7:56 PM on December 21, 2015:

whoops.

jrmithdobbs commented at 7:59 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

Let me know if you'd like me to squash.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:01 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

I want to be clear here. I am a staunch supporter of free speech and have previously been opposed to such things. My mind has been changed, not just by this project, by watching friends and talented engineers berated, harassed, and generally have their mental health destroyed.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:04 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

I'm unsure as to whether the current contact language is appropriate as I agree with said policy that anonymity preservation should be an option when reporting.

Input?

bitstein commented at 8:14 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

I am a staunch supporter of free speech

No you aren't.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:17 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

@bitstein thank you for illustrating the need so immediately.

justusranvier commented at 8:20 PM on December 21, 2015: none

@jrmithdobbs Should your comment be interpreted as stating that @bitstein's comment would be forbidden if this policy is adopted?

in other words, the reason to implement a code of conduct is to allow enforcers of the code to ban anyone who disagrees with them?

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:22 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

No, just an illustration of the current toxic environment revolving around bitcoin.

It should definitely be interpretted as a complete divestment of any endorsement of bitcointalk.org, however, sorry.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:24 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

To be clear, related PRS:

bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org#1167 bitcoin/secp256k1#369 libbitcoin/libbitcoin#355

PierreRochard commented at 8:47 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

Troll laying bait, as evidenced by https://twitter.com/jrmithdobbs/status/679036167157735425

I'm ok with a code of conduct, I'm not ok with abusive pull requests that violate said code of conduct, like this one.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:55 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

I'm not trolling. The comment on twitter is my expectations of the response of this community.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:55 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

You should search full-disclosure for mt gox.

jrmithdobbs commented at 8:56 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

So far, expectations met:

https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin/pull/355

petertodd commented at 10:27 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

@jrmithdobbs Would you please provide some specific examples of conduct directly related to Bitcoin Core in the past few months that would be against this proposed code of conduct.

jrmithdobbs commented at 11:08 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

@petertodd nothing within bitcoin core specifically. This is a sincere request to codify the fact that such things should not be tolerated. I do not think it's unreasonable and discussion on phrasing or choosing a different specific wording for such a code of conduct is fine by me. I think the trend towards these types of CoC is a good thing and merely wish it to be extended to a project I care about.

Additionally I'll not be responding to the personal attacks being issued by that puppet account with no commits that seems to have been created by someone in the libbitcoin PR.

petertodd commented at 11:11 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

If there's no CoC violations in Bitcoin Core, NACK for now. Open to reconsidering in the future if the situation changes.

On 21 December 2015 15:09:41 GMT-08:00, Douglas Huff notifications@github.com wrote:

@petertodd nothing within bitcoin core specifically. This is a sincere request to codify the fact that such things should not be tolerated. I do not think it's unreasonable and discussion on phrasing or choosing a different specific wording for such a code of conduct is fine by me. I think the trend towards these types of CoC is a good thing and merely wish it to be extended to a project I care about.

Additionally I'll not be responding to the personal attacks being issued by that puppet account with no commits that seems to have been created by someone in the libbitcoin PR.

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: #7243 (comment)

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jrmithdobbs commented at 11:18 PM on December 21, 2015: contributor

That's fair but I personally think waiting for the bad things to happen is the wrong approach.

ghost commented at 12:02 AM on December 22, 2015: none

Please do the responsible thing and fork and create your own community with your own rules. Stop trying to unnecessarily safespace communities. It is counter productive.

jrmithdobbs commented at 12:37 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

It's well documented that I'm an asshole. I want to ensure you that this PR was made in good faith. I'm trying to do better w/ the asshole thing but things are hard to change over night. I only opened the libbitcoin one because I didn't realize @genjix was no longer lead and assumed he would be all for it. I did not expect it to end in literal racial slurs. I am absolutely appaled by that. libbitcoin/libbitcoin#355

I've recently had some experiences and seen examples of why things like this are useful. I used to oppose them too. But I've been convinced, oddly enough by @hintjens and a few others' extremely eloquent writing on the subject combined with the Clusterfuck of "bro" culture I've encountered since moving to the Bay Area.

Please don't think I'm trolling. I'm not going to answer the personal attacks, as I've stated, it's not worth it.

I would honestly like a direct declaration of support of a similar CoC in some form. Our industry (not crypto currency, tech) is hurting itself with strict adherence to its own idealism and excluding very useful contributors.

The recent glaringly obvious comment was in reference to this insane "Chinese miner" vs the world nonsense going on with personal attacks flying everywhere. It's disgusting especially at a time of such huge wins re: criminal prosecution of fraudsters and acceptance by the SEC for securities issuance.

I know it's not being encouraged by the core devs and I think you know that I respect the vast majority of you guys even if my tone is harsh and word choice horrible at times. Again, I know it's not coming from core devs but there are other projects that encourage similar and I just think a bold, clear, statement to that effect by the core guys may go a long way to making this community a better place for everyone.

I knew associating my name with it would steal some of the concept's credibility. But like others in this community have said. "Anything worth doing is worth putting your name on." No one else was proposing so I did.

I probably should have been more thorough in uniquely differentiating these different pull requests and can understand how it could seem to be imposing a bad impression. That is my bad and totally on me. I sincerely apologize for that. Do not let my communication skills derail discussion of, what I believe to be, a very important topic for any community but especially this one of as of late.

(just to get them linked in the others: bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org#1167 bitcoin/secp256k1#369)

jrmithdobbs commented at 12:39 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

I will address one attack: I am not an outsider and the intended audience of this specific PR know this.

jrmithdobbs commented at 1:16 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

I sincerely wish I had screenshotted @unclediazepam's use of "BTFO SJW" since he's wisely deleted it to try and make the above nonsensical.

jrmithdobbs commented at 1:19 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

Oh wait. I did. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWyJsZWUwAAP6gL.jpg

evoskuil commented at 1:40 AM on December 22, 2015: none

Re: the libbitcoin PR

I did not expect it to end in literal racial slurs

"Fuck Off" and "douchetard" are not racial slurs dumbass.

dcousens commented at 2:05 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

Lock PR?

petertodd commented at 2:06 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

ACK lock PR

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Lock PR?

Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: #7243 (comment)

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jrmithdobbs closed this on Dec 22, 2015

jrmithdobbs commented at 2:19 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

For the good of everyone involved I'll happily close. This devolved into nonsense I half expected but hoped wouldn't occur. I'm sorry.

jrmithdobbs commented at 2:25 AM on December 22, 2015: contributor

I am still interested in a constructive conversation on this topic and would like advice on how to elicit such constructively.

jonasschnelli locked this on Dec 22, 2015

laanwj commented at 8:48 AM on December 22, 2015: member

I've seen some devious, manipulative behavior in the bitcoin-core developer community but none that the basic kindergarten rules outlined here would prevent. This kind of behavior usually comes from outside, e.g. "vote" floods from reddit and no, those people won't read or heed a document like this any way - they expect to be banned and create an account just for that.

I'm ok with a code of conduct, I'm not ok with abusive pull requests that violate said code of conduct, like this one.

Same here. I don't think it would hurt to write down how we, as a developer community, intend to behave toward each other. But that would have to apply to specific incidents in our community and not a copy/paste code of conduct which misses the buck.

I am still interested in a constructive conversation on this topic and would like advice on how to elicit such constructively.

Right, after first trying to inject a code of conduct into a project with the intent to create a shitstorm. You may not be violating the letter of your own code of conduct but certainly the spirit. This does kind of remove any motivation to include you in constructive conversation about this subject.